Sun and wind (without Christo redux)
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This is from a few days ago, but I’m quite taken with the great late-afternoon light we get here this time of year in case you can’t tell. Here it is shining off construction scaffolding in Shinjuku. This was the first day of the spring winds, so the fabric was rippling like … well, rippling fabric. Wished I’d had a video camera.
I noticed recently that JPEG colours seem fine in Safari (i.e., they’re what I see in Photoshop) but appear very dull in Mozilla and Camino. I recall reading an explanation of how various browsers render colour once but damned if I can find the link. Googling around this morning doesn’t yield anything of immediate interest.
Anyone know the details? I’d really appreciate a pointer in the right direction.
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Posted to Photographs • 2004.02.17 (Tue) • 10:16
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Posted by Robert Castelo 2004.02.17, 11:04
Might it have something to do with ColorSync profile embedded in JPG?
Posted by olivier 2004.02.17, 11:33
I’m not an expert but I ran into the same issue before, and indeed it is probably related to a colour profile issue. Do you embed one in your images? Which is it? sRGB?
Given how (and whether) various agents interpret this info in various manners, it’s usually safer to use a “regular” profile. I think it is reasonably safe to save web images as sRGB - your gamma may vary.
Posted by olivier 2004.02.17, 11:34
P.S: maybe it’s my (bloglines) newsreader being stupid, but it can’t read images when you embed them with relative URIs…
Posted by jh 2004.02.17, 11:53
Robert —-
I’ve tried various approaches (including saving them with AdobeRGB profiles simply because I forgot that that was the space I was working in ;-). I see basically the same thing happening no matter which profile is used (of course AdobeRGB should be avoided for web presentation!).
Olivier —-
This image is sRGB (specifically sRGB IEC61966-2.1). I’ve obviously got some reading up to do on the black art (no pun intended) of colour management. <sigh>
> your gamma may vary
;-)
> but it can’t read images when you embed them > with relative URIs
All images here are posted with absolute addresses. Could the problem be related to something else?
Posted by resonance 2004.02.17, 13:27
Jeremy,
Before “saving for web” in Photoshop, convert your images to a ColorMatchRGB profile (Mode->Convert to Profile). The ColorMatch profile holds up much better on the web, across browsers and platforms (take a look at etherfarm’s images in both Safari and Firebird/Camino/ “whatever they’re calling it this week”. To these eyes, they’re identical (and somewhat close in PC browsers).
I’ll a copy of the action I use to prep images for the web if you’d like.
Cheers.
Posted by Owen Rodda 2004.02.17, 17:15
I don’t really trust Safari’s colour management, after finding that it “corrects” PNG files with no colour space information. That does indicate to me that it’s more likely to correct the colours than other browsers would be.
OT: I can’t preview my post for some reason (Undefined subroutine &MT::spamprotect called at plugins/optionalredirect.pl line 40).
Posted by damon 2004.02.17, 22:58
nice shot!
Jeremy,
You’re right about the absolute addresses, I figured that out just after posting the comment - should have checked before. The feed is OK, netnewswire displays the image just fine.
So the problem is certainly on blogline’s side, not yours, sorry for the silly report. Still unsure what’s wrong , though…
Fantastic picture. i can really see the fabric on the scaffolding billowing just like the crimson permanent assurance!
(tried to put in a link to a picture of the infamous Monty Python ‘thing’ but your spam monitor killed it)
;-)
Posted by rich 2004.02.19, 11:41
erm, and it sucked my name and website ‘bits’ away as well.
ah well.
i still like the picture. nice photo!
Posted by TheDon 2004.02.21, 02:24
I ran a little test by viewing the image in IE and firefox. firefox has the brighter, more intense saturation on my P90f monitor.
Posted by Bassett 2004.02.22, 11:54
The Tokyo evening light which so fascinates JH, and allowed the creation of that lovely image, also can be found way down here at the southern end of New Zealand’s South Island. Some days the sun and clouds conspire so nothing happens until after 9pm when the tops of the barren, tussock-covered hills and mountains become burnt orange, and the sheets of clouds turn a version of steel grey, with highlights. Its chilling knowing the sunset which is creating such a blinder is off somewhere in the deep Tasman Sea. Nice one, Jed.
Posted by Jamie 2004.02.25, 11:52
Amazing photo… as are all the photos on your site! I’m in awe!
Posted by Mark 2006.01.25, 02:28
Yep, firefox & other Mozilla-derivatives just seem to ignore embedded profiles (at least on the mac anyway) which is very annoying.
I’d love a solution, have tried various profiles without much luck. Might give the ColormatchRGB a go but I’m not optimistic. Fundamentally, you’re going to need some color sync support in the browser for it to work I think.
At the moment I’m torn between the better features & stability of Firefox and the better image display of Safari. I use a mixture of both.
Posted by sam hill 2006.09.23, 02:25
an explanation of difference between mozilla + safari [flickr.com]
Posted by delvig 2007.01.10, 13:41
I am new in Mac and came across the same issue a couple days ago. JEPG files with sRBG (namely sRGB IEC61966-2.1) were washed out when being browsed in FF/Camino.
Here is a fabulous article to tackle on this very issue. It points out the diffrenet gamma values we have in Win32 and Mac. Strangely FF/Camino seem to be compliant to the Win32 rule. Well, at least I can fix it in Photoshop now, let alone the Safari.
Tips for Managing Web Color in Photoshop
I know this is an old post. Still hope it may help :-)
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